419 Old Farm Rd, Amherst. (normally) a quiet neighborhood
Once again we have a "new" first time address for party citations but one that's owned by a "usual suspect," Onesta Properties LLC, aka Pipleline Properties, aka Chad O'Rourke and Daniel Feldman.
Although I'm starting to wonder if there's problems in paradise as far as the student rental market is concerned, since Onesta Properties LLC, aka Pipeline Properties, aka Chad O'Rourke and Daniel Feldman just flipped two rental properties (12 Sunset Court and 747 Main Street) for a cool $899,000 total.
Let's hope DNB Properties LLC is a tad more careful with tenant selection.
Amherst police responded to a neighbor's call for help to quiet a loud party around 1:00 AM early Sunday morning. The throng of "college aged youth" was less than cooperative with police so on top of the $300 noise ticket, each resident of the house earned a bonus "nuisance" ticket, also for $300.
Yes, that's a total of $600 for each rowdy resident.
Arrested, hands cuffed behind their backs and taken to APD headquarters where they were locked up until paying a $40 processing fee to the Clerk of Courts:
Daniel J. DuBois, age 19, 44 Cogswell St, Haverhill, Robert S. O’Neil, age 20, 30 Holmes Lane, Milton, and Rui R. Pereira and Timothy J. Stoops both age 20, and both from 419 Old Farm Road 419 Old Farm Rd, Amherst.
All four of them, amazingly, UMass students.
27 comments:
Yes, that's a total of $600 for each rowdy resident.
Or three windshields broken in retaliation by each victim of intolerant neighbors. Which is "just another perspective" in an "all viewpoints are equally valid" world.
Larry, you can look at it either way -- but if this is an offense not punishable by incarceration -- under any circumstances then why the hell do they have to pay $40 to get out of jail when the law doesn't permit them to be there in the first place????
I'd like to see a bunch of kids do a Dr. King and refuse to pay it. Refuse to do *anything* and just shut down the entire APD because their jail space is quite limited.
Cars roll over too -- we've seen that in the past -- and it only takes a couple guys to do it. Such as a couple guys pissed off about this. I'll cry no tears....
...."And the middle shall cease to hold"...."****, baby ****"....
Ed, CVS is open 24/7, go get your meds.
Moron ED; The $40 is the bail clerks FEE to come out and release them on PR. There is no bail as it (bail) would be in addition to the fee. So for your simple mind to compute: $1000 bail = $1040 for freedom.
IF they refused to pay they would be forced to spend the weekend at the house of corrections. APD would not hold them....all arrestable offenses are treated in this manner when court is not is session including those with adjudications that have ZERO house/prison time. Know your facts before spewing your commonplace vitriol on LKs blog again and again and again.....you make it not worth reading the comments...then again, most of the time I just scroll past your dribble
"GIVE ME A HOT DOGS," said Ed.
Not a lot of student rentals in this area of town, although this one has been for some time now. Hope the students don't extend their reach into this area.
Either way, windshields break.
And I'd love to see a Section 1983 suit against the APD/Town for false imprisonment. Tell me that wouldn't make someone quite rich.
But still, it is amazing how windshields can break and cars roll over...
The clerks office is open Ed, file away. Blowhard
As I said before, cars roll over -- do not forget that 20-year-olds are still developmentally at the absolutist right/wrong stage, and feel they have been wronged.
And much as multiplying two negative numbers becomes a positive, in their developmental midset, two wrongs balance each other out-- and they don't yet have the concept of "scale."
Cars roll over...and even if paid for by insurance, it's a hassle similar to being arrested.
Even something as simple as stealing someone's electric meter at 1 AM would really *REALLY* make their lives miserable for a couple of days -- and it is as simple as twisting off the little wire tie, pulling the meter straight out, and smashing it on the pavement. Better to simply make it disappear as a lineman can see pieces of meter if they are there, will ask questions if they aren't.
Or there is repeatedly bending the outside telephone wire back & forth until it snaps inside - that will cause all kinds of headaches for a homeowner because the telephone will sorta work but not well...
Or running a garden hose into the oil fill & leaving it turned on. That one is both nasty and expensive -- and not always covered by insurance....
The problem with having punishments which exceed the seriousness of the "crimes" is that the legitimacy of the system becomes called into question -- and then stuff like the above becomes socially acceptable.
Remember that the police only have any relevance in an environment where 90% of the population *chooses* to *voluntarily* obey the laws.
Notice how well the Park Service is doing with closing the WW-II Memorial in DC today....
IF they refused to pay they would be forced to spend the weekend at the house of corrections.
I imagine that the DA would hear about that -- big time -- if a few hundred of them decided to do it. Anyone remember the Seabrook Protests (or seen the UM Library exhibit celebrating them)? Or the messes that occurred at the various Republican Conventions in the 1990s?
I don't know what the capacity of the HoC is but a couple hundred UM students refusing any bailment other than P/R, and demanding jury trials for each and every noise offense would really really make a mess of things.
The APD would be spending LOTS of time in court (Cops HATE Court), the court would choke, the jury system likely would too and there are some fairly strict rules from Prisons"R"Us (whoever regulates them) as to capacity of a HoC if they want to keep their accreditation and all the rest.
Letters from Birmingham Jail resonate today a half century later -- it's an effective tactic.
And the other nice thing about this is that once it is announced as a tactic, anything that Enku/UMass does becomes "interfering in a court proceeding" and/or "tampering with witnesses" -- really messy things that one doesn't want to be doing.
Enku reportedly went to law school -- a good one from which she reportedly graduated -- so she can't claim ignorance. And wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if she'd wound up going to jail right along with her students....
Whatever that was requires its own special font.
This is a serious article that I have put some time into -- and if anyone wants to explain why I am wrong -- with citations , I'd appreciate it. As to the inevitable vitriolic ad-hominum insults, they will be |/dev/null.
0: I really don't know if the Amherst Town Noise Ordinance is considered civil or criminal (and there are some other issues involved in arresting and requiring bail for civil offenses) -- but the point is moot.
1: The $40 payment is requiring the "purchase" of justice, which is explicitly un-Constitutional -- what part of "without being obliged to purchase it" doesn't apply here?
2: The right of a jury trial for anything involving imprisonment is quite clear -- and it is a moot point that the imprisonment occurs prior to trial -- John Adams never dreamed of such a thing, let alone included such an exemption.
3: Arrest without warrant was only to the extent necessary to (a) identify a perpetrator and (b) ensure perp's presence at trial -- that's under the common law referenced in the CONMA -- and only for offenses which the arresting individual (who need not be an officer) personally witnessed.
3A: "The peace of a 'Peace Officer' may not be violated." I've been told that by high-level cops and trust that they were telling me the truth --- this is what led to "Ed" being the complainant in a lot of situations I could have cared less about because the International students & single mothers were afraid of doing it and (at the time) I had faith in the system and believed that if I'd done nothing wrong, I didn't need to fear having my name in the CAD.
(As an aside, it is also what led to me being the complainant in a situation where a pregnant woman, asleep in her apartment, was sprayed in the face with a toxic chemical during the 2009 "Let's Waste Money in Lincoln Apts" Fiasco. I'm neither female nor pregnant, but (back then -- not now!)I was willing to advocate for a neighbor who was both.)
3 + 3A: Is is it even legal for the officers to be making arrests for an offense which they CAN'T witness -- as *their* peace can not be disturbed... If arrests are to be made, ought it not be the homeowners doing the arresting? (Possibly with officer assistance, but ought the physical arrest be made by the actual witness?)
4: Notwithstanding the "arrest", the "imprisonment" clearly is unConstitutional -- and it well may be that the APD can hold the person, but not transfer to the HoC. But once that is done, once the arrestee is (I assume) co-mingled with prisoners, then he/she/it is "incarcerated."
From the Constitution of the Commonwealth, edited for brevity, emphasis added:
Article XI. Every subject of the commonwealth...ought to obtain...justice...without being obliged to purchase it;...promptly, and without delay...
Article XII....And no subject shall be...imprisoned...but by the judgment of his peers...
...without trial by jury.
Article XV. In all controversies concerning property, and in all suits between two or more persons, except in cases in which it has heretofore been otherways used and practiced, the parties have a right to a trial by jury; and this method of procedure shall be held sacred....
Eds meds?
Eds meds?
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On the other hand, a serious answer to either (a) the developmental psych issue in the first post and/or (b) the legal questions in the second would actually be appreciated.
But as to the issue of calling anyone with whom you disagree "crazy", it appears that even the once-noble US Marine Corps isn't above it.
As an aside, I like what Allen West proposed for punishment -- (a) a formal letter of reprimand in each of the urinating Marine's personnel files and (b) a punishment of being required to sing all four verses of the Marine Hymn while attired in Class A uniforms and before the *entire* company.
(This would be more of a punishment than people realize -- those guys, not wanting to be totally humiliated, would have to put a lot of time & effort into practicing -- and it still would be embarrassing enough to make the point not to do such things.)
Eds(sic) meds?
NB: Any relevant psych meds (were there any, and there aren't) would be possessed by Ed, hence Ed's meds, indicating Ed's possession thereof.
The parenthetical "sic", Latin for "thus", is the accepted format for the expression "sic erat scriptum" which means "thus it was written." I usually don't point out the grammatical errors of others, unless provoked. QED...
More importantly, the more disquieting thing is that after having defeated the Soviet Union, we increasingly are adopting their practice of dissident control via Punitive Psychiatry and Sluggishly Progressing Schizophrenia. Scary -- and true.
Here is a current Russian example from the Huffington Post, (a right-wing entity???) and involving a Union Activist.
Those of you who value free speech, union protection of employees, and the right to criticize the government need to be really worried about this!
As Greg from FIRE likes to point out, up until 2008, all three branches of the Federal Government were controlled by the Republicans -- something that those on the Left need to reflect upon...
And here's the USMC Article again in case I scrambled the HTML coding as I *am* dyslexic, and never claimed to be perfect....
If any of the described vandalism occurs, Ed needs to be arrested for conspiracy to commit the crime.
Ed, would you not agree that people with genuine psychological problems requiring treatment do in fact exist?
Even though we can all agree that the many people have been misdiagnosed, intentionally or otherwise, by the Soviets and others, that does not mean that EVERY apparent mental illness is actually spurious.
Ed, would you not agree that people with genuine psychological problems requiring treatment do in fact exist?
A fair question (even though I suspect it is a leading one) and I will answer it honestly:
I prevented eight (8) suicides during my years at Planet UMass -- I msy define them differently but I've never disputed that mental illness exists.
I've never said that CRAZY doesn't either. And I mean CraZy...
At least a third of my Section 8 Clients were *current* DMR and/or DMH clients as well.
The woman who covered the interior of her apartment with aluminum foil because government agencies (never the same one) were trying to "steal" her radio signal -- to prevent her from listening to NPR. (I didn't have the heart to tell her who provides NPR...)
There was the guy (Patrick knows him) who screamed "Mohammed f**king Montana" when I asked why he had ripped down and stomped on yet another smoke detector. (They *are* radioactive, BTW.) And then there was the guy who injured a couple of APD officers when they tried to arrest him-- I went to see him alone & unarmed.
There was the guy who had THREE televisions on -- static and full volume -- I had to have him turn one off it was so noisy. I had to write a five=page memo on how an electric light bulb works and he STILL dragged me into court.
And then there was the time when I joined the imaginary friends at the mad hatter's tea party -- and then pointed out the imaginary thunderstorm that was approaching (there *was* a *small* cloud way over on the horizon) and I said goodbye to all the imaginary friends and then we went inside and Ed went back to his office.
Mental illness is every bit as real as Diabetes -- and if you've ever seen anyone going into Insulin Shock -- (a) you will NEVER forget it and (b) why I consider Diabetes to be a mental illness.
(I just was on the roof of a burning building at the time -- neither knowing how much water I had left in the truck nor how fast I was using it -- and trying to get the person who did -- and was going into insulin shock -- to sound a second alarm. I'm still alive so you can do the math.)
what I object to is the arbitrary and capricious diagnoses -- you wouldn't just "say" someone was Diabetic, yet this is done for mental illnesses.
Let me go a little bit further though -- when 94% of the mental health profession self-identifies as being on the far left on social issues -- as I was explaining at a conference a few days ago, "Abnormal" -- by definition -- is "not normal."
I firmly believe that the so-called "Batman Shooter" would have been locked up were he conservative instead of leftist. BETA (their version of ACT) decided not to act -- and that is going to make some really interesting litigation.
Ive heard so many horror stories about what is going on at UMass right now -- not from the allegedly insane students but from bystanders -- UM folk who can't say anything but are bothered by it, so they tell me about it.
If the person who wrote the question is who I think it is, and is serious about addressing this, I'd be willing to help. However, remember one thing -- I need to know that what happened to me CAN'T happen to someone else -- sure an administrator left and got a new job somewhere else -- yes, I noticed that -- but I need to see the structural flaw fixed.
Folks, who guards the guardians?
And folks, if the field of Mental Health existed 200 years ago (it didn't), don't you think that the 1st, 4th, 5th, & 8th Amendments would have been amended to include protections against it?
And on a serious note -- I know that I am not mentally ill because I couldn't have survived half the things i did if I were. And you know, no one's ever apologized...
Let me go a little bit further though -- when 94% of the mental health profession self-identifies as being on the far left on social issues -- as I was explaining at a conference a few days ago, "Abnormal" -- by definition -- is "not normal."
I firmly believe that the so-called "Batman Shooter" would have been locked up were he conservative instead of leftist. BETA (their version of ACT) decided not to act -- and that is going to make some really interesting litigation.
Ive heard so many horror stories about what is going on at UMass right now -- not from the allegedly insane students but from bystanders -- UM folk who can't say anything but are bothered by it, so they tell me about it.
If the person who wrote the question is who I think it is, and is serious about addressing this, I'd be willing to help. However, remember one thing -- I need to know that what happened to me CAN'T happen to someone else -- sure an administrator left and got a new job somewhere else -- yes, I noticed that -- but I need to see the structural flaw fixed.
Folks, who guards the guardians?
And folks, if the field of Mental Health existed 200 years ago (it didn't), don't you think that the 1st, 4th, 5th, & 8th Amendments would have been amended to include protections against it?
And on a serious note -- I know that I am not mentally ill because I couldn't have survived half the things i did if I were. And you know, no one's ever apologized...
And there you have it: 700 words to answer the question, "Do you agree that mental illness exists?" when a simple "yes" would have sufficed.
But Ed has no problems -- he's a survivor!
And there you have it: 700 words to answer the question, "Do you agree that mental illness exists?" when a simple "yes" would have sufficed.
Except in this context, I would say "no."
So sorry...
That's the problem with falling in love with your own hot air -- no one pays much attention to what you're blathering on about, and even if they do, they have a hard time discerning your meaning or point.
I honestly thought you were trying to say "yes".
Were you aware a "group of investors" aka Chad O'Rourke, Kurkoff, and Mark Snow Jr. are partnered in the purchase of Snowzee's? I got thinking why would student rental real estate tycoons want to own a bar? Well all the underage students that rent from them are "safe" to let in the bar. I am willing to bet these young men will soon be patrons at the new Snowzee's. I have also seen this landlord/bartender relationships at the Monkey Bar. Which recently had its liquor license pulled for 7th offense of underage serving. They were to be without license for a month, now The Monkey Bar is under a new owner lets see what happens there also.
Well hello Larry, there is a reason you haven't seen my name in a while. And I am taking responsibility for the actions of my tenants here too, just as I always do, I don't hide. If you did your research you would find out that these students are also scholarship athletes for the UMass baseball team. Why isn't UMass or the coaches heald to the same standards as us landlords for the actions of their students and athletes? Why are they not stepping up and taking responsibility as well? If you could answer those questions we might have a lot less problems in this town. The reason I rented to them is because they are student athletes, figuring they have more to be responsible for and more people who are responsible for them. You as a formal athlete can understand that. But as usual it seems as though UMass is no where to be found. I have already contacted their coach about it. Also, I still manage Sunset & Main Street and I am still responsible for the tenants in there.
P.S. Though I am not opposed to owning a bar, especially one that is NOT in Amherst, I am in no way an owner or investor in "Snowzees". Karkhuff and Snow are not landlords and do not have anything to do with the student rental population. That information is also easy to find out. But it is interesting that your blog has now ventured out to the concerns of Sunderland.
Hey Chad,
Only reason I published that Anon comment was for the Monkey Bar information.
I have since put in a public documents request with the town's "liquor commissioners" aka Select Board for documentation, as the bar did have their license suspended in early October, probably for serving minors.
Yes, I wish UMass did more to make the rowdy students accountable -- ESPECIALLY if they are athletes (as some of them may have scholarships aka public tax money).
I will say I had a great response from the head coach of the baseball team about these boys and he stepped up and took responsibility for them as well and from what I understand they have been reprimanded within his organization. So if that is true, good for him and that is great to see. It justifies my theory on student athletes in that they have others around them that are responsible for their actions as well. If only this was the case for all the student athletes.
Glad to hear it. Oftentimes a spotlight is a good thing.
And the coach knows folks are now watching.
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