It is interesting to read the vehemence the accuser uses in her blog about other thisng she has done. It makes her accusations suspect. I pity her future employers.
11 years is not quickly...most businesses don't make it 2 years...most employees that think they know how to run businesses never even open one and don't or can"t keep their job that long.
People stopped going once that person made the accusations public. It mattered not that they hired a former state prosecutor to look at their operation and make the changes need not to let it happen again. In this country if you are of color or a woman all it takes is an accusation to make you an automatic victim and everyone you work for evil, and no need for the other side of the story to be properly flushed out and revealed. But mattered not, the place was a lousy diner.
You've got it backwards. For years the diner could have clamped down on the bad behavior of their cooks. Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them? They laughed it off and now they've paid the price.
Anyone who defends the workers here would undoubtedly defend Cosby, too. I mean... 10 women have stepped up to talk about the harassment they faced at this diner - you doubt them all?
People will believe whatever they want to believe, and deem the rest of us uber-PC. Meh, it's boring argument, folks, and one without merit.
Who is going to be able to do the investigation to know that it stopped 10 months ago? The AG! I mean, if you're not cynical, you'd say that's why they were getting involved - to be able to ensure that they have corrected the issue.
That they took the coward's route out tells me all I need to know about their lack of compliance.
"Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them?"
That's "sexual assault", a crime -- and not "sexual harassment" which is a form of discrimination.
Were the Hadley Police not responding to 911 calls? Most of the waitresses were UM students, and I know the protocols and practices at UMass -- any Student Affairs employee (dorm staff, student activities, even mental health counselor) would funnel the woman to Lisa Kidwell of the UMPD.
Something would have been done -- I'm not saying the "right" thing, nor helpful to the victim(s), but have no doubt that Kidwell would have pursued it with the same ideological zeal that Larry does the 9-11 flags.
As to the waitresses who were high school students, they are minors whose parents have the legal authority to act on their behalf. Larry -- if one of your daughter's told you that a male co-worker had followed her into the cooler and assaulted her, what would you do?
According to the DCF website, mandated reporters are required to file a 51A on anything they become aware of, even in their private lives. Sexual assault of a minor (even if the perp is also a minor) is definitely something requiring a 51A, and think of all the mandated reporters who were customers there.
And if the girls talk about it in school, which they would, the high school teacher, coach or guidance counselor overhearing the conversation would be required to file a 51A.
I also believe that one of the responsibilities of the Superintendent of Schools is to oversee the working conditions of those students who are employed -- a mandate that comes from the child labor laws passed early in the last century. Children under the age of 16 have to get a work permit signed by the Superintendent -- did Maria G "sign off" on anyone working there?
The situation I encountered involved a child working overnight shifts at a gas station (and then falling asleep in my class the next day) -- a Superintendent is required to respond to reports that her students are working in "unsafe working conditions." This includes any child working with laws protecting the child being violated.
Remember that there are also laws against "corrupting the morals" of a child -- or something like that. The younger the girl, the lower the bar on what is actually criminal and not merely boorish behavior -- and like the law precluding child overnight shifts, the Supt has responsibilities on laws that aren't enforced as well.
So Maria G is a co-conspirator in all of this?
No.
"Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them" is something that would have been prosecuted -- and hence, it wasn't.
"In this country if you are of color or a woman all it takes is an accusation..."
During WW-1 the British had used their control of the trans-Atlantic cable to not only censor the news going to America but to spread wartime propaganda.
One example involved "pitchforking British babies" -- that the Germans were murdering large numbers of British babies with pitchforks. The Kaiser wasn't doing this, nor any of the other things he'd been accused of doing, and Americans learned that after the war.
And hence when true stories of Nazi atrocities started coming to America a couple decades later, no one believed them. That's part of why Eisenhower marched his troops through liberated death camps -- so that people would believe that this actually did happen.
"...the place was a lousy diner." And in an even worse economy. I think that had a bit to do with the closing...
"That they took the coward's route out tells me all I need to know about their lack of compliance."
Because you would have been willing to pay their legal expenses for what would have been an expensive fight to save a business which was, at best, marginally profitable.
Ever heard of a "Pyrrhic Victory"?
And I note the term "lack of compliance" which is something other than just "stopping/preventing" -- it means subjecting yourself and your employees to sexual harassment of a different sort. At an expense that the business likely couldn't afford.
Aaaaaaaand the propaganda actually was "pitchforking *Belgian* babies."
You know, the country the Germans had invaded and whose babies they could access, as opposed to Great Britain, which they had not invaded and therefor would have had some difficulty accumulating the babies thereof to pitchfork.
Assault is if you take a swing at someone. Battery is if you connect. Trying to kiss or fondle someone in the walk-in cooler is the assault, whether or not you actually accomplish it.
1: Two different professors said ":British" babies -- I never really quite understood how the German troops would have gained access to the British babies and Belgian makes a hell of a lot more sense, but professors said "British."
2: Massachusetts law is not only archaic but obtuse. "Sexual Assaul" is defined as including what other states call "attempted rape."
Heaven forbid that students presume that what professors are teaching, what they are saying in class lectures, is actually true.
And folks, "trying to kiss or fondle someone in the walk-in cooler" is only an assault if the someone doesn't want to be kissed or fondled. That's how you get employers having a no-dating policy which -- sorry folks -- applies to same-sex dating as well.
What the lesbian community fails to understand is that they will eventually be in the same legal status as men, guilty because accused -- and this will be an end-run around the gay rights laws.
Sometimes you have to destroy women to feel like a man.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad this place shuddered so quickly. No patience for scumbags.
Allegations proven yet?
DeleteI went there often until I found out what was happening in the kitchen.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting to read the vehemence the accuser uses in her blog about other thisng she has done. It makes her accusations suspect. I pity her future employers.
ReplyDeleteAnd instead of ending it, you ended the women's employment.
ReplyDeleteUmmm, that benefits them how???
Sexual harassment is even worse at UMass kitchens, but they are union, so they will never be fired.
ReplyDeletemeh, i worked at umass kitchens for a couple years, didn't notice anything alarming
ReplyDeleteIf this is reporting where is the info.
ReplyDeleteSomething happened in the kitchen.....do tell.
11 years is not quickly...most businesses don't make it 2 years...most employees that think they know how to run businesses never even open one and don't or can"t keep their job that long.
People stopped going once that person made the accusations public. It mattered not that they hired a former state prosecutor to look at their operation and make the changes need not to let it happen again. In this country if you are of color or a woman all it takes is an accusation to make you an automatic victim and everyone you work for evil, and no need for the other side of the story to be properly flushed out and revealed. But mattered not, the place was a lousy diner.
ReplyDeleteYou've got it backwards. For years the diner could have clamped down on the bad behavior of their cooks. Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them? They laughed it off and now they've paid the price.
ReplyDelete1-800-win-win1. There's money to be made here.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who defends the workers here would undoubtedly defend Cosby, too. I mean... 10 women have stepped up to talk about the harassment they faced at this diner - you doubt them all?
ReplyDeletePeople will believe whatever they want to believe, and deem the rest of us uber-PC. Meh, it's boring argument, folks, and one without merit.
The key question is did the bad behavior stop many months ago when the 10 women came forward with their story?
ReplyDeleteIf so, was it really necessary for the AG to become involved.
Who is going to be able to do the investigation to know that it stopped 10 months ago? The AG! I mean, if you're not cynical, you'd say that's why they were getting involved - to be able to ensure that they have corrected the issue.
ReplyDeleteThat they took the coward's route out tells me all I need to know about their lack of compliance.
"Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them?"
ReplyDeleteThat's "sexual assault", a crime -- and not "sexual harassment" which is a form of discrimination.
Were the Hadley Police not responding to 911 calls? Most of the waitresses were UM students, and I know the protocols and practices at UMass -- any Student Affairs employee (dorm staff, student activities, even mental health counselor) would funnel the woman to Lisa Kidwell of the UMPD.
Something would have been done -- I'm not saying the "right" thing, nor helpful to the victim(s), but have no doubt that Kidwell would have pursued it with the same ideological zeal that Larry does the 9-11 flags.
As to the waitresses who were high school students, they are minors whose parents have the legal authority to act on their behalf. Larry -- if one of your daughter's told you that a male co-worker had followed her into the cooler and assaulted her, what would you do?
According to the DCF website, mandated reporters are required to file a 51A on anything they become aware of, even in their private lives. Sexual assault of a minor (even if the perp is also a minor) is definitely something requiring a 51A, and think of all the mandated reporters who were customers there.
And if the girls talk about it in school, which they would, the high school teacher, coach or guidance counselor overhearing the conversation would be required to file a 51A.
I also believe that one of the responsibilities of the Superintendent of Schools is to oversee the working conditions of those students who are employed -- a mandate that comes from the child labor laws passed early in the last century. Children under the age of 16 have to get a work permit signed by the Superintendent -- did Maria G "sign off" on anyone working there?
The situation I encountered involved a child working overnight shifts at a gas station (and then falling asleep in my class the next day) -- a Superintendent is required to respond to reports that her students are working in "unsafe working conditions." This includes any child working with laws protecting the child being violated.
Remember that there are also laws against "corrupting the morals" of a child -- or something like that. The younger the girl, the lower the bar on what is actually criminal and not merely boorish behavior -- and like the law precluding child overnight shifts, the Supt has responsibilities on laws that aren't enforced as well.
So Maria G is a co-conspirator in all of this?
No.
"Following waitresses into the walk-in cooler and assaulting them" is something that would have been prosecuted -- and hence, it wasn't.
Another on bites the dust. Two strikes at this location, next batter please...
ReplyDelete"In this country if you are of color or a woman all it takes is an accusation..."
ReplyDeleteDuring WW-1 the British had used their control of the trans-Atlantic cable to not only censor the news going to America but to spread wartime propaganda.
One example involved "pitchforking British babies" -- that the Germans were murdering large numbers of British babies with pitchforks. The Kaiser wasn't doing this, nor any of the other things he'd been accused of doing, and Americans learned that after the war.
And hence when true stories of Nazi atrocities started coming to America a couple decades later, no one believed them. That's part of why Eisenhower marched his troops through liberated death camps -- so that people would believe that this actually did happen.
"...the place was a lousy diner."
And in an even worse economy. I think that had a bit to do with the closing...
"That they took the coward's route out tells me all I need to know about their lack of compliance."
ReplyDeleteBecause you would have been willing to pay their legal expenses for what would have been an expensive fight to save a business which was, at best, marginally profitable.
Ever heard of a "Pyrrhic Victory"?
And I note the term "lack of compliance" which is something other than just "stopping/preventing" -- it means subjecting yourself and your employees to sexual harassment of a different sort. At an expense that the business likely couldn't afford.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Ed reveals that he does not know the legal difference between "assault" and "battery."
ReplyDeleteJust like he does not know *jack* about pretty much anything else, but still feels the need to inflict his opinions on us.
Go away Ed.
Aaaaaaaand the propaganda actually was "pitchforking *Belgian* babies."
ReplyDeleteYou know, the country the Germans had invaded and whose babies they could access, as opposed to Great Britain, which they had not invaded and therefor would have had some difficulty accumulating the babies thereof to pitchfork.
Go away Ed.
Ed,
ReplyDeleteAssault is if you take a swing at someone. Battery is if you connect. Trying to kiss or fondle someone in the walk-in cooler is the assault, whether or not you actually accomplish it.
Damn facts, always gettin in Eds way.
ReplyDelete1: Two different professors said ":British" babies -- I never really quite understood how the German troops would have gained access to the British babies and Belgian makes a hell of a lot more sense, but professors said "British."
ReplyDelete2: Massachusetts law is not only archaic but obtuse. "Sexual Assaul" is defined as including what other states call "attempted rape."
"Trying to kiss or fondle someone in the walk-in cooler is the assault, whether or not you actually accomplish it."
ReplyDeleteLarry, if one of your girls came home from work in tears, would you make a distinction if the perp actually accomplished it or not?
Didn't think so...
What do you want, Ed is only a doctor, not a lawyer, but don't tell Ed!!! Besides two professors told him, so that makes it true...
ReplyDeleteHeaven forbid that students presume that what professors are teaching, what they are saying in class lectures, is actually true.
ReplyDeleteAnd folks, "trying to kiss or fondle someone in the walk-in cooler" is only an assault if the someone doesn't want to be kissed or fondled. That's how you get employers having a no-dating policy which -- sorry folks -- applies to same-sex dating as well.
What the lesbian community fails to understand is that they will eventually be in the same legal status as men, guilty because accused -- and this will be an end-run around the gay rights laws.